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[Amie]

Looking back over the email they sent, I actually stand corrected. Your work had to sell on art.com BEFORE June 30 to remain, so for those artists who had not yet seen a sale of certain items, they're already SOL and out of contention.

And yeah, those items staying on art.com are hardly the issue. New work sounds like it has little to no chance of making it there, even if it's similar to (or better) than work that's already on that venue!

The whole thing seems very silly to me. By this argument, should Amazon limit the number of books it makes available for the "benefit" of its customers and only show us best sellers? It starts becoming self-fulfilling prophecy...until the public tires of the editorial "taste."

[JohnRizzuto]

agreed 100% Amie...  the bottom line is that art.com does not want new artists or self publishing artists to display work on art.com.  They want that for established artists or art from publishing houses.  It is almost like you have amnesty if you had work pre-June 30th that sold...  basically, very little new work will be put there as you stated....

they are trying to use artists to generate traffic only...that is it really .....  thats the old brick & mortar selling... "just get them in the store and they will buy something" 

[revad-via-proxy]

I took the change in commission to mean a change in commission for AR/Sistino artists and that is all. What this means for the commission on sales at art.com is not explicitly covered is it?

I'm just trying to find something to cheer John up a bit here, maybe he will continue to get the same income for his current art.com images (I hope so), but I do agree that all they want is us to drive traffic to them and then for them to redirect that traffic to art.com and the so called established artists.

I'll keep my one image on AR for advertising purposes and wait and see what happens in the medium term. In the mean-time none of my own sites will mention my AR account or link to it any way whatsoever.

[JohnRizzuto]

thats cool Dave... and no need to cheer me up....  I am just more vocal because I feel companies like art.com do not respect artists and take advantage of us for their own benefit... plus I have a pretty boring 9-5 job so this gives me something to do during the day  :-) 

Personall, I am disappointed though.  The one resaon I liked art.com was the traffic they generate.  Up until 6 months ago we had the freedom to upload as many images as we wanted to art.com.  The more I made available the more my sales rose.  That appears to be history.  Aslong as my membership is free until 2008, I will keep what I have there.  After that, I will have to decide if it worth paying for a membership.

I am actully going to re-think the internet selling of prints.  I liked it more because it was the least amount of time I had to spend on selling so I could conentrate more on selling.  I thought this had great potential but the reality is that spending more time on traditional selling (art shows and galleries - which means less time behind the lense) comes out to be more profitable in the long run.... 

[natashawescoat]

I want to divulge some potentially nasty information about ART.com but I don't want to lose my checks just yet. How do I offer this info anonymously? lol

[JohnRizzuto]

you can email me...lol  serious...would luv to hear it

[Amie]

hey tash--i sent you an email!

[Sarah]

I sent you an email too! 

Tash, I'm really certain that art.com pays no attention to this forum, so it's probably pretty safe to say anything you want here.

You could also change your profile name on this forum, I think, so it wouldn't be obvious who you are.

[Amie]

I sent you an email too! 

Tash, I'm really certain that art.com pays no attention to this forum, so it's probably pretty safe to say anything you want here.

You could also change your profile name on this forum, I think, so it wouldn't be obvious who you are.

heh, they barely pay attention to their own forums, lol.

I know the folks who were fired knew about this forum and read it with interest.  Then again, they actually gave a damn, which is why they aren't there any more.

[Arcturus]

Natasha,
  Sorry if I am all out of sympathy for your plight.  How can you post what you did and not expect people to use this information?  You sound like you were cool as long as you got preferential treatment. It is shocking but you were okay with it enough to continue and not question it as long as your well being was taken care of.  You were going to get 20%? Well, well, well....

[JohnRizzuto]

thanks for sharing but I really don't see how if you stay or leave art.com really impacts a single artist beside yourself

[natashawescoat]

yeah, exactly. who wouldn't love preferential treatment? My point was, I thought this was the issue for ALL the artists on art.com, but learned that sooner or later, this wasn't the case.

Everyone is out with claws ready to scratch. geez.

[Sarah]

I'm glad to be hearing some truth about them, for a change.

[natashawescoat]

thankyou

[Sarah]

Everyone is out with claws ready to scratch. geez.

Natasha, there's some artists who are pretty angry at art.com already, who have felt they were getting shafted by them. And it is disappointing for the ones who tried so hard and invested so much, to see how someone was getting such preferential treatment. I wouldn't take it personally, though. I'm sure it's not meant that way.

[Amie]

while one person leaving might not have an effect, the same can't be said if folks left en masse and were vocal about why.  this is a company that wants to go public and really doesn't want bad press right now.  given how the folks in the silicon valley like to gossip, it's rather interesting that folks aren't talking about this. yet.

[Sarah]

given how the folks in the silicon valley like to gossip, it's rather interesting that folks aren't talking about this. yet.

Wonder how they've kept the lid on it.

[natashawescoat]

yes. I'm sorry guys. I just want to be able to voice my experience and not be slapped. I'm sorry to see that many artists didn't get the support from ART.com that they should have. I just think that the support that they gave me seemed jaded and somewhat shady..and I'm just realizing that this could be bad. I wanted to know your input and I am glad you voiced it. Thankyou

[natashawescoat]

Yeah, it makes sense that when I would say something, they'd try to shut it up. Boy, I'm a knucklehead.

Wonder what could happen if we blew the lid off of it then?

[JohnRizzuto]

Amie I am all for leaving but I don't like leaving money on the table.... if you can tell me where to go where I can earn the monthly income that I do from art.com, I would be the 1st to leave....serious

[Sarah]

Wonder what could happen if we blew the lid off of it then?

That's a REALLY interesting question, Natasha... I wonder too.

[Arcturus]

Natasha,
  Where did your post go? Why did you delete it?

[Amie]

Amie I am all for leaving but I don't like leaving money on the table.... if you can tell me where to go where I can earn the monthly income that I do from art.com, I would be the 1st to leave....serious

EBSQ isn't there yet. But if our programmers were motivated before, you'd better believe they're even more motivated now. I think it's safe to say we plan to be serious contenders in the independent art market beyond providing portfolio/ diy marketing tools and an awesome art community.

And as for what happened to Tash, I think that's case in point about art.com. If they treat their golden geese this way, it's safe to say the don't give a rat's arse about the rest of the flock. Frankly, it pisses me off.

[JohnRizzuto]

I am with you Amie.... here is a problem that I have and would suspect many artists do....  time...  i work a 9-5 job and do my photography at night and on the weekends...  besides taking photos I have to process them.... then I update my website and other sites that are strictly promotional.... then I need to upload work to other sites that i sell from... its a lot of work and I just wish there was one qaulity site that treated artists well and had lots of customers... would make my life easier...the I could just spend my time cashing checks and living the Entourage lifestyle.....

[Sarah]

And as for what happened to Tash, I think that's case in point about art.com. If they treat their golden geese this way, it's safe to say the don't give a rat's arse about the rest of the flock. Frankly, it pisses me off.

I couldn't agree more with you, Amie. Apparently they also think their artists aren't very smart.

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