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« on: June 10, 2007, 09:37:41 PM »

I'm dying of curiosity. I was reading the forums over on art.com, and saw some references to everyone on AR and Sistino being fired. I think there'd been a link in the thread but the link was removed, so I can't find the actual source. Anyone know what that's about?
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2007, 02:36:22 AM »

There is a serious issue here..

It would appear that Sistino is more or less abandoned.. and folks who have spent money subscribing to this site are not being catered for.

I wonder who is the major shareholder in art.com and whether their bankers/financiers are fully aware of the shambolic situation there.. surely someone has to step in and force some changes. IMO art.com are leaving themselves open to a breach of contract case.

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2007, 04:20:29 AM »

This is so depressing - my sales over there were just reaching the level where it really made sense for me to stay on and give them the benefit of the doubt...but now? who knows?  Angry
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2007, 07:07:04 PM »

I heard they fired the Sistino upper management team back around 5/10/07 and that basically Sistino was a "dead duck".   It's a fiasco over there.  Basically, a "how not to run a company". 

My hunch is that technically they have not violated the terms of the artist agreement.  I am not endorsing what they have done.  I am really pissed.  I work with attorneys all day long (I am not a lawyer but a CCO at financial firm) and I deal with contracts and SEC regulations all day long.  Best thing to do is have all the artists just delete there works and walk away.  The problem is, where would we go???  I make between $700 - $1000 a month on art.com.   I would love to leave but what site could I generate that much income (not thats its a lot but it pays for my gear).
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2007, 09:58:01 PM »

John, that's a hell of a dilemma for you. I don't envy the position you're in... Do you think they're still planning to remove most of everyone's work from art.com at the end of the month, or would Sistino's bombing change that?

Guess I'll go read their forums some more.
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2007, 09:07:06 AM »

I can confirm that the management team for A|R / Sistino was, with few exceptions, fired on 5/10. (disclosure: I am friendly with one of the folks who got the ax).

Dan at Empty Easel had the following to say on the subject today: http://emptyeasel.com/2007/06/14/is-artist-rising-dead/
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2007, 09:22:40 AM »

Thanks for that Amie.
Which prompts the question:  How goes your plan to start on-line sales at EBSQ?

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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2007, 09:24:25 AM »

Dan's article on Empty Easel does indeed paint a gloomy picture...  Sad Sad Sad
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2007, 09:38:33 AM »

Thanks for that Amie.
Which prompts the question:  How goes your plan to start on-line sales at EBSQ?

Paul

No definite ETA yet, but we do have a new programmer joining the team next week Wink
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2007, 04:04:29 PM »

After my second totally unsatisfactory flirtation with the art.com group I have started the process of removing my images from sale on both Sistino and AR. Of course as is always the case (over there) this is a long winded process and will take a few days, but at the end I'll just be glad to be rid of them. What a relief.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2007, 09:42:01 PM »

Good luck with that, Dave. I tried to delete some of mine, and shockingly, it didn't work! I couldn't see them any more from my account, but they still showed up in searches.

I posted my dilemma on the forum, and got an actual response (!) telling me about this obscure delete process I should have used. Then I replied that it was too late to use it, and how could I delete them NOW. Never got an answer. I got sick of it and said, basically, what-ever. I wasn't interested in fighting all those bugs to upload any more images anyway, so 14 images, 16 images, made no difference, I didn't care any more.

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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2007, 03:14:02 AM »

Sarah, so far so good. My images no longer appear in searches on Sistino, so that seems to have worked and they no longer show as available as prints on AR, so that seems to have worked as well. The last step will be to delete the images but I will leave that for a few days to just give their systems  plenty of time. I guess the lesson is that you need to undo everything in the exact reverse order that they were done in the first place.

Delete the market place (Sistino) listings;
Wait and make sure this happens and check the search to ensure your images don't list;
End poster prints; (I can't really comment about fine art prints as I never had any set-up)
Wait a day or two to make certain that they are no longer available;
Delete the images from AR.

I'll report back when I have completed the last step.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2007, 09:04:42 AM »

Thanks, Dave. Sounds like you've got it by the tail.
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2007, 04:01:34 PM »

Actually, someone posted a really good message on the AR forum. The person (who may be here--if so, hi!) pointed out that the fiscal year ends June 30. She/he didn't have any inside information, just business experience, BUT pointed out that before a sale, information would not be released. Think about it, it really does fit everything that has happened, including the missing link to Sistino. It's just wild speculation, but very interesting. I'm peaved with them, at the moment, but I'm leaving everything as it is, for now. I can always take my work off if I don't like what they do.
Oh, has anybody else have posts drop off into empty space and disappear? Maybe I pressed the wrong button--shrugs.
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2007, 02:09:14 AM »

I deleted every image bar one which I have left to keep my account active and allow for a bit of advertising just in-case anyone still looks for my work there. I may even put it back on Sistino for the same reason.

Certainly the process I followed seems to have worked cleanly anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2007, 12:23:37 PM »

Thanks for the followup, Dave. Maybe I'll try again. Of course, like you, I'll keep my account active, since they only let members read the forums.  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2007, 12:56:35 PM »

they aren't selling; they filed papers to go IPO (confirmed by a friend formerly at the SEC)
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2007, 01:24:32 PM »

Really...
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2007, 01:31:14 PM »

Now, filing for IPO doesn't mean they WILL go IPO, but it does clarify their mindset somewhat...
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2007, 01:56:37 PM »

What is IPO?
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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2007, 01:58:47 PM »

Ditto?
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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2007, 02:01:24 PM »

What is IPO?

IPO = initial public offering, which means they'll be moving from a privately held to publicly traded company and making stock available to the general public.
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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2007, 05:05:48 PM »

They have been saying that since 1999 when they bought in the ex-CFO of RedHat.  They also did a round of raising venture capital back in 2002.  (I work on Wall St. for one of the largest investment banks in the worlds)

You don't announce that your going public unless you are actually going public.  It's called insider trading if you "leak" that information prior to actually doing it.  I just checked online and any company that files for an IPO will show up because it is a public document.  I have not seen any public documents relating to art.com.  Just past press releases that where art.com refers to itself as a pre-IPO company.  Art.com is rumored to be going public (http://gigaom.com/2007/02/21/tech-ipo-2007-candidates/) but again, this is no surprise because they have stated this since 1999.  I have also not heard any rumors of this happening, or if it does happen, being a big deal.  If they go public and it goes barely noticed, it basically means it was a waste except now the company has to answer to a board of directors and stockholders.  They way they run the company today is more than likely the way they will run the company in the future.  The only way where you would see changes in how they are run is if some big company bought them or there were changes in senior management at the corporate level.

Another interesting topic is that I saw two positions posted online for art.com (in each posting they list art.com, allposters.com, poster.de, and artistrisng.com and there no sites).  Notice which site is absent from this list?

1.  Creative Director - Art.com
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/med/352813087.html

2.  Online Marketing Manager
http://www.revenuetoday.com/industry_job-details.php?id=24&company=Art.com
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2007, 06:09:40 PM »

Here is another Job Posting listed on 6-15-07.  I bolded some key points.  What I would interpret this as is that art.com is potentially preparing to go public.  SEC reporting and Sarbanes Oxley (404) only apply to public companies.  Not private companies.  If art.com does an IPO, all this tells me is the company is not going out of business. More than likely they are doing pretty well financially.  And, based on the screwups with artistrising.com and sistino.com, they do not need "original and emerging" artists to have a succesfull business model.  They have to prepare a business plan to potential investors or the company(s) taking them public (hence - the a/r and IK site) and they need to show on paper that they have a plan.  It is when you read about IK they say they compete with Sistino not art.com.  To appear attractive to investors they have to show that they generate x-amount of income from established (dead or whatever you want to call them artists) artwork - which you can show a history of reliable sales - versus sales from "emerging" and new artists.  New and emerging art sales from a risk factor is a lot higher than selling works from Van Gogh or Ansel Adams. 

Assistant Controller - Art.com (emeryville)

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Art.com, a pre-IPO, profitable and rapidly growing Emeryville based e-commerce company has an opening for an Assistant Controller. Recognized by Internet Retailer as a Top 100 Web Site in 2005, we have locations in the United States, Germany, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom. Art.com is always looking for talented individuals ready to join a company with a strong culture that supports training and development opportunities. We have a fast-paced environment where innovation, creativity and results are valued.


RESPONSIBILITIES:

? Manage the accounting and accountants payable staff

? Direct the monthly closing process

? Oversee the preparation for the annual audit

? Prepare quarterly and year end financial reports

? Implement accounting policies and procedures

? Assess internal control deficiencies and implement procedures to remediate

? Identify and implement operating efficiencies

? Research technical accounting and reporting issues to ensure compliance with GAAP and SEC regulations

? Direct compliance with 404
? Prepare for SEC reporting compliance

? Manage multiple projects, such as enhanced receivables and inventory reconciliations and reporting requirements

? Work with IT professionals on reporting and control needs


REQUIREMENTS:

? CPA required

? Manager with approximately 8-12 years experience

? Experience should include a combination of Big 4 public accounting and industry experience

? Experience with SEC reporting and Sarbanes Oxley compliance

? Initial public offering experience a plus

? Experience with project management

? Strong understanding of financial systems and internal controls

? Demonstrated leadership and analytical skills

? Results driven, ability to initiate and lead projects

? Excellent written and verbal communication skills

? Strong organizational skills with the ability to handle numerous projects simultaneously; with a great attention to detail, operates with urgency, focus and discipline


BENEFITS:

We offer a competitive benefits and incentive package which includes the following:

?Stock Options
?Semi-Annual Performance Bonus
?Medical, Dental and Vision Plan
?401(k) Plan with company match
?Life Insurance/AD&D with Voluntary Supplemental coverage
?Short and Long Term Disability
?Flexible Spending Account
?Paid Time Off and Company Paid Holidays
?Training and Development Seminars
?Employee Discount Programs
?Commuter Benefits (varies by location)
?Fitness Center(varies by location)
?Company Sponsored Events and Activities


To apply, please follow the link below to our Corporate website:
http://corporate.art.com/careers.aspx


Thank you for your interest in our company and we encourage you to visit one of our sites:

Art.com
AllPosters.com
Poster.de
Artistrising.com   
 



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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2007, 06:26:55 PM »

Then it's decided .... John will take the job
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